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U.S. experiences warmest 12-month period on record
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08 05, 2012 18:09 GMT +42
The past twelve months were the warmest twelve months in U.S. history, said NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) on Tuesday, in their monthly "State of the Climate" report. Temperatures in the contiguous U.S. during May 2011 - April 2012 broke the previous record for warmest 12-month period, set November 1999 - October 2000, by 0.1°F. The past twelve months have featured America's 2nd warmest summer, 4th warmest winter, and warmest March on record. Twenty-two states were record warm for the 12-month period, and an additional nineteen states were top ten warm. NOAA said that the January - April 2012 period was also the warmest January - April period since record keeping began in 1895. The average temperature of 45.4°F during January - April 2012 was 5.4°F above the 20th century average for the period, and smashed the previous record set in 2006 by an unusually large margin--1.6°F.


Figure 1. The ten warmest 12-month periods in the contiguous U.S. since record keeping began in 1895. Image credit: NOAA/NCDC.


Figure 2. The average temperature of 45.4°F during January - April 2012 was the warmest on record: 5.4°F above the 20th century average for the period, and was 1.6°F above the previous record set in 2006. January - April temperatures have been rising at about 1.9°F per century since 1895. Image credit: NOAA/NCDC.

April 2012: 3rd warmest on record
April 2012 was the third warmest April in the contiguous U.S. since record keeping began in 1895. Ten states had a top-ten warmest April, and no states were cooler than average. But what's really remarkable about April was that eight states--Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia--had average April temperatures cooler than their March temperatures, even though their April temperatures were still above the long-term average for the month. These statistics show just how remarkably warm March 2012 was. Most extreme was Illinois, where April 2012 temperatures ranked in the top 20% for warmest Aprils, yet were cooler than March 2012 temperatures.


Figure 3. Temperature rankings for April 2012 in the Contiguous U.S. Ten states had a top-ten warmest April, and no states were cooler than average. Image credit: NOAA/NCDC.


Figure 4. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) for January - April shows that 2012 had the most extreme weather on record.

Most extreme January - April on record
NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), an index that tracks the highest 10 percent and lowest 10 percent of extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought, was 42% during the January-April period, over twice the average value, and the greatest on record. Remarkably, 82% of the contiguous U.S. had maximum temperatures that were in the warmest 10% historically, and 68% had warm minimum temperatures in the top 10%, with records going back to 1910. The previous records were 56% (2000) and 57% (1992) for maximum and minimum temperatures, respectively. The percentage area of the U.S. experiencing top-10% drought conditions during January - April was 19%, which was the 17th greatest since 1910. Extremes in precipitation as computed by the CEI were near average for the January - April period.

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901. WxGeekVA 10 05, 2012 01:25 GMT    
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902. pottery 10 05, 2012 01:28 GMT    
Quoting nigel20:

A surface trough is also responsible wet weather being received in your neck of the woods... It is forecasted to move to the west, so hopefully that will lessen the rainfall amounts in that area

I saw that.
That would be good.
We wait and see.
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903. nigel20 10 05, 2012 01:36 GMT    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I predict that hurricane season will be hurricane season.

That's a good one...what's up W115?
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905. nigel20 10 05, 2012 01:46 GMT    
Quoting EugeneTillman:
Whad up, Nigel?

Evening, wash.

I'm good. How are you ET?
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906. RTSplayer 10 05, 2012 01:46 GMT    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Sauron must not have been so tough after all. Not too bright either. A super-human Balrog WITH an invisibility ring that gives him control over the other major rings of power, but he ...turned off...it's power, apparently?!? That made no sense!

I mean, he lost against Isuldur even when he already had the ring. Who was distracting the 9 Ring Wraiths during this idiotic 1vs1 duel? Then Saruman backstabs the good guys and joins Sauron, and Sauron still loses, with 7 of the 9 Ring Wraiths pretty much doing nothing throughout the story, and 2 of them being killed by mere humans.

These villains were kinda dumb; like worse than Saturday morning cartoon villains in the 1980's.
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908. Patrap 10 05, 2012 01:53 GMT    
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909. Grothar 10 05, 2012 02:00 GMT    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I predict that hurricane season will be hurricane season.


Don't worry, you'll feel better in the morning.
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910. Grothar 10 05, 2012 02:01 GMT    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I'm keeping track this year of the days the 384GFS forecasts DOOM for the Conus. So far we have 7 days in May, fittingly enough for film buffs out there.


The book was better than the movie.
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911. nigel20 10 05, 2012 02:02 GMT    
Quoting Grothar:


Don't worry, you'll feel better in the morning.

Hey Grothar. What's up?
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912. Grothar 10 05, 2012 02:10 GMT    
Quoting aspectre:
419 aspectre: If all of the water on the Earth were rolled up into a ball, it would form a sphere 890miles(1384kilometres) wide: the distance from SaltLakeCity,Utah to Topeka,Kansas.
440 biff4ugo: The volume of air isn't much bigger...

"The air sphere measures 1999kilometres[1242miles] across and weighs 5140 trillion tonnes. As the atmosphere extends from Earth it becomes less dense. Half of the air lies within the first 5 kilometres of the atmosphere."

The phrasing makes me wonder whether the ball is filled with air at StandardTemperature&Pressure. Or whether the author included only the volume of atmosphere under an arbitrary height above the Earth's surface then converted that volume to a spherical equivalent.
On planets that can gravitationally hold air, air pressure decreases with height. So if the author used an arbitrary height rather than STP as the basis for his volume, then the volume&diameter of his sphere is a purely arbitrary choice:
eg With the average pressure decreased to 1/8th of that of STP, the volume would be 8times greater while the diameter would be 2times longer.
If the average pressure were increased to 8times that of STP, the volume would decrease to 1/8th of the original and the diameter would decrease by 1/2
Somewhat similar changes occur if one varies the temperature from STP.

Probably would have been easier to just calculate the STP volume by dividing the atmosphere's mass by the density of air at STP than to type the above critique, but I'm stupid that way.
"Never think of the easy way... until I've already done it the hard way first."


All I know is, I wouldn't want to be around when somebody punches a hole into one of those balls.
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913. allancalderini 10 05, 2012 02:14 GMT    
Why does the Eastern Carribean steal all the rain of the Western Carribean??? we really need rain in here.
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914. Grothar 10 05, 2012 02:15 GMT    
Quoting nigel20:

Hey Grothar. What's up?


Hello, Nigel. I just woke up from my nap. Are we still watching the 384 hour GFS map?
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915. TheWeatherMan504 10 05, 2012 02:17 GMT    
Good Evening, everyone! It's been a while. Looking forward to a 2012 Hurricane Season. I'm stockpiled and ready to go Hurricane Chasing, especially with a lot of home brew developing this year.
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916. RTSplayer 10 05, 2012 02:19 GMT    
Does anyone know when the Cryosphere today arctic sea ice page is going to be fixed?

It's been broken since the 29th, presumably, since the last good data update was for the 28th.

Here

It scrambles the searches and just gives you random days.

Have their javascript been hacked or something?
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917. nigel20 10 05, 2012 02:20 GMT    
Quoting allancalderini:
Why does the Eastern Carribean steal all the rain of the Western Carribean??? we really need rain in here.

Where are you located? I'm in Jamaica and we've been pretty wet over the past couple months....over the past two weeks are so we have been getting rain primarily from day time heating
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918. TheWeatherMan504 10 05, 2012 02:20 GMT    
Quoting pottery:

I don't see any signs of dry weather though.
Still a load of moisture flowing out of SAmerica.
I think it will continue for a week again.


Pottery, my man! How's the weather been treating you down in the Antilles?
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919. nigel20 10 05, 2012 02:24 GMT    
Quoting Grothar:


Hello, Nigel. I just woke up from my nap. Are we still watching the 384 hour GFS map?

Yes....it was posted earlier, but it was showing a slightly weaker system
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920. Tropicsweatherpr 10 05, 2012 02:29 GMT    
Puerto Rico has been thru some flooding in the past few days and it looks like more rain is on tap for us in the next couple of days.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
1010 PM AST WED MAY 9 2012

.UPDATE...10/00Z TJSJ SOUNDING SHOWED THAT THE LLVL WINDS HAVE
SHIFTED FROM THE SOUTHEAST TONIGHT. UNDER A SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW...
MOISTURE WILL POOL ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA DURING THE NEXT 24 TO
36 HOURS. WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO DETERIORATE AND
BECOME MORE ACTIVE LATE TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY AS MID/UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH APPROACHES FROM THE EAST AND DEEPER MOISTURE MOVES
INTO THE AREA. ALL THESE INGREDIENTS COMBINED WILL RESULT IN
PERIODS OF HEAVY RAINFALL AND ORGANIZED CONVECTION ACROSS THE
PARTS OF THE ISLANDS THURSDAY AND POSSIBLY FRIDAY. IN GENERAL...
THE FORECAST REASONING HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS ISSUANCE.
MINOR CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE SHORT RANGE WEATHER ELEMENTS...MAINLY
TO FINE TUNE THE TIMING OF SHOWERS AND STORMS.
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921. Thrawst 10 05, 2012 02:30 GMT    
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

I disagree... This seems like one of those years that will feature a lot of those "jumping" hurricanes which tend to jump over the coast and make landfall farther inland... The midwest should be on high alert.


LOL
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922. goosegirl1 10 05, 2012 02:32 GMT    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Sauron must not have been so tough after all. Not too bright either. A super-human Balrog WITH an invisibility ring that gives him control over the other major rings of power, but he ...turned off...it's power, apparently?!? That made no sense!

I mean, he lost against Isuldur even when he already had the ring. Who was distracting the 9 Ring Wraiths during this idiotic 1vs1 duel? Then Saruman backstabs the good guys and joins Sauron, and Sauron still loses, with 7 of the 9 Ring Wraiths pretty much doing nothing throughout the story, and 2 of them being killed by mere humans.

These villains were kinda dumb; like worse than Saturday morning cartoon villains in the 1980's.


Sauron was neither human nor a balrog. The balrog appears in The Fellowship of the Rings in the mines of Moria, when the wizard Gandalf fell to his apparant death. Sauron was one of the Maiar, a spirit created by Illuvitar, and he became the smith who forged the One Ring.

Thus, Sauron was an ancient god created at the beginning of Middle Earth, and the balrog was a fire demon. Sauron placed most of his power into the One Ring that he forged in secret.

The battle was not one on one, but was a battle of an alliance of elves and men against Sauron.

And now all of you know I am a huge nerd who reads the Silmarilion!
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923. Bielle 10 05, 2012 02:38 GMT    
Quoting pottery:

Do they jump before or after they pump the ridge?
I was never clear on this...


Naughty!
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924. PedleyCA 10 05, 2012 02:39 GMT    
Quoting goosegirl1:


Sauron was neither human nor a balrog. The balrog appears in The Fellowship of the Rings in the mines of Moria, when the wizard Gandalf fell to his apparant death. Sauron was one of the Maiar, a spirit created by Illuvitar, and he became the smith who forged the One Ring.

Thus, Sauron was an ancient god created at the beginning of Middle Earth, and the balrog was a fire demon. Sauron placed most of his power into the One Ring that he forged in secret.

The battle was not one on one, but was a battle of an alliance of elves and men against Sauron.

And now all of you know I am a huge nerd who reads the Silmarilion!


Won't hold that against you. That is the only one I didn't read. The good old days.
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925. Levi32 10 05, 2012 02:39 GMT    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Sauron must not have been so tough after all. Not too bright either. A super-human Balrog WITH an invisibility ring that gives him control over the other major rings of power, but he ...turned off...it's power, apparently?!? That made no sense!

I mean, he lost against Isuldur even when he already had the ring. Who was distracting the 9 Ring Wraiths during this idiotic 1vs1 duel? Then Saruman backstabs the good guys and joins Sauron, and Sauron still loses, with 7 of the 9 Ring Wraiths pretty much doing nothing throughout the story, and 2 of them being killed by mere humans.

These villains were kinda dumb; like worse than Saturday morning cartoon villains in the 1980's.


1.) You need to read up.

2.) I won't tolerate a Lord of the Rings hater. Nothing more epic has ever been written and then filmed.
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926. wxgeek723 10 05, 2012 02:40 GMT    
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

I disagree... This seems like one of those years that will feature a lot of those "jumping" hurricanes which tend to jump over the coast and make landfall farther inland... The midwest should be on high alert.


Hahaha I think this year we may need to be concerned about "Super Hurricanes" where the storm's cloud canopy turns a flamboyant yellow color and the winds inside the eyewall reach over 9000 mph.
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927. nigel20 10 05, 2012 02:44 GMT    
Quoting Levi32:


1.) You need to read up.

2.) I won't tolerate a Lord of the Rings hater. Nothing more epic has ever been written and then filmed.

Agreed
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928. Birthmark 10 05, 2012 02:46 GMT    
Quoting goosegirl1:


Sauron was neither human nor a balrog. The balrog appears in The Fellowship of the Rings in the mines of Moria, when the wizard Gandalf fell to his apparant death. Sauron was one of the Maiar, a spirit created by Illuvitar, and he became the smith who forged the One Ring.

Thus, Sauron was an ancient god created at the beginning of Middle Earth, and the balrog was a fire demon. Sauron placed most of his power into the One Ring that he forged in secret.

The battle was not one on one, but was a battle of an alliance of elves and men against Sauron.

And now all of you know I am a huge nerd who reads the Silmarilion!

See, if the previous poster had read the Silmarillion then he would know that Isildur was a direct descendant of Earendil, thus no ordinary man.

(I'm surprised I remember that much.)
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929. Gearsts 10 05, 2012 02:46 GMT    
Quoting Levi32:


1.) You need to read up.

2.) I won't tolerate a Lord of the Rings hater. Nothing more epic has ever been written and then filmed.
Levi you will be doing Tropical updates vids again for this season? :(
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930. DasRegulator 10 05, 2012 02:48 GMT    
419 aspectre: If all of the water on the Earth were rolled up into a ball, it would form a sphere 890miles(1384kilometres) wide: the distance from SaltLakeCity,Utah to Topeka,Kansas.
440 biff4ugo: The volume of air isn't much bigger...

"The air sphere measures 1999kilometres[1242miles] across and weighs 5140 trillion tonnes. As the atmosphere extends from Earth it becomes less dense. Half of the air lies within the first 5 kilometres of the atmosphere."

Do you mean all the fresh water on earth rolled into a ball? It looks like all the ocean around your ball would fill at least a couple of them, that is if the graphic is to scale.
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931. Birthmark 10 05, 2012 02:52 GMT    
Quoting wxgeek723:


Hahaha I think this year we may need to be concerned about "Super Hurricanes" where the storm's cloud canopy turns a flamboyant yellow color and the winds inside the eyewall reach over 9000 mph.

Over 9000!?
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932. WxGeekVA 10 05, 2012 02:58 GMT    
Quoting Birthmark:

Over 9000!?


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933. Patrap 10 05, 2012 02:59 GMT    
April co2 is in...Mauna Loa

Note the numbers trend last 12 mth's, and esp last month.

co2now.org

396.18ppm

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934. centex 10 05, 2012 03:05 GMT    
Quoting DocBen:
But the denialists will continue to claim nothing is happening!Quoting DocBen:
But the denialists will continue to claim nothing is happening!
Right and many who are not in denial will not comment. Not news. Ignore them, they have zero scientific support. It's not news, man is warming our planet and changes do not fit normal patterns of climate change. The only debate is how bad.
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935. RTSplayer 10 05, 2012 03:10 GMT    
Quoting goosegirl1:


Sauron was neither human nor a balrog. The balrog appears in The Fellowship of the Rings in the mines of Moria, when the wizard Gandalf fell to his apparant death. Sauron was one of the Maiar, a spirit created by Illuvitar, and he became the smith who forged the One Ring.

Thus, Sauron was an ancient god created at the beginning of Middle Earth, and the balrog was a fire demon. Sauron placed most of his power into the One Ring that he forged in secret.

The battle was not one on one, but was a battle of an alliance of elves and men against Sauron.

And now all of you know I am a huge nerd who reads the Silmarilion!


The Battle wasn't 1vs1, but Isuldur beat Sauron in 1vs1 combat.

Balrogs:
[q]In later writings they ceased to be creatures, but are instead Maiar, lesser Ainur like Gandalf or Sauron, spirits of fire whom Melkor had corrupted before the creation of the World.[3] Power of the order of Gandalf's was necessary to destroy them,[20] and as Maiar, only their physical forms could be destroyed.[/q]

So technically, Gandalf, Sauron, and Balrogs are all the same type of "being," they simply choose different forms of expression.

I'll leave it alone, because it's off topic.
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936. Patrap 10 05, 2012 03:14 GMT    
937. goosegirl1 10 05, 2012 03:19 GMT    
Quoting RTSplayer:


The Battle wasn't 1vs1, but Isuldur beat Sauron in 1vs1 combat.

Balrogs:
[q]In later writings they ceased to be creatures, but are instead Maiar, lesser Ainur like Gandalf or Sauron, spirits of fire whom Melkor had corrupted before the creation of the World.[3] Power of the order of Gandalf's was necessary to destroy them,[20] and as Maiar, only their physical forms could be destroyed.[/q]

So technically, Gandalf, Sauron, and Balrogs are all the same type of "being," they simply choose different forms of expression.

I'll leave it alone, because it's off topic.


No, Gandalf and the Balrog were similar; Sauron was a higher order and was created at the beginning. The order of wizards were sent to Middle Earth to unite all forces against Sauron. And it's time for this nerd to dust off the books and go to bed :)
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938. centex 10 05, 2012 03:24 GMT    
Quoting Patrap:

Heartland Stands By Its Climate Change Denial As Donors Jump Ship
Posted: 05/09/2012 7:41 pm Updated: 05/09/2012 8:01 pm


Been reading your post for years. Appreciate them and helping us see the lighter side.
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939. RTSplayer 10 05, 2012 03:27 GMT    
Quoting Levi32:


1.) You need to read up.

2.) I won't tolerate a Lord of the Rings hater. Nothing more epic has ever been written and then filmed.


1) I don't hate the books, I read them several times.

2) The movies were a tragic let down, including a couple ridiculous scenes where the original text was totally butchered.

3) I would have preferred if the movies were done using Tolkien's style of English for the dialogue, just as in the book, instead of the "modernization" of the language. Who cares if half the modern audience is too dumb to understand it? They can get a thesaurus.

4) As for the writing:

The first 4 books of the Wheel of Time series were off the scale compared to LotR. I'd say the first book past page 70, when the introduction is over and the action really starts, and the third book are probably the best two pieces of High Fantasy or Science Fiction novels I've ever read, and I used to read quite a few.

That was when the series was still quality "from the gut" story telling. Later on, it just got old and a lot of filler. Jordan was very, very superior to Tolkien when it comes to character development, describing battles with somewhat realistic fighting mechanics, and individual character and racial styles and habits, the "mechanics" of their special abilities, 3rd person partial knowledge of villains, and so on.

They really aren't even in the same league. Jordan's works were far more dynamic and descriptive of characters and mechanics, not to mention believable character rivalries and backstabbing and such. Even though I would say Jordan had some places where his writing was really horrible, overall I'd give him a landslide victory over Tolkien. It's true that there are some similar concepts to Tolkien, but in terms of style and execution it's just not even comparable.
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940. Patrap 10 05, 2012 03:29 GMT    
938. centex 10:24 PM CDT

TYVM,

..we all can make a difference.


Thanx for contributing as well.
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941. Tropicsweatherpr 10 05, 2012 03:31 GMT    
00z GFS is starting to run. Let's see what it brings.
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942. nigel20 10 05, 2012 03:33 GMT    
Good night all....don't do anything I wouldn't do
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943. Patrap 10 05, 2012 03:37 GMT    
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944. help4u 10 05, 2012 03:39 GMT    
Dinasouars farting again!!!We are all doomed!!!
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945. jeffs713 10 05, 2012 03:41 GMT    
Quoting RTSplayer:


1) I don't hate the books, I read them several times.

2) The movies were a tragic let down, including a couple ridiculous scenes where the original text was totally butchered.

3) I would have preferred if the movies were done using Tolkien's style of English for the dialogue, just as in the book, instead of the "modernization" of the language. Who cares if half the modern audience is too dumb to understand it? They can get a thesaurus.

4) As for the writing:

The first 4 books of the Wheel of Time series were off the scale compared to LotR. I'd say the first book past page 70, when the introduction is over and the action really starts, and the third book are probably the best two pieces of High Fantasy or Science Fiction novels I've ever read, and I used to read quite a few.

That was when the series was still quality "from the gut" story telling. Later on, it just got old and a lot of filler. Jordan was very, very superior to Tolkien when it comes to character development, describing battles with somewhat realistic fighting mechanics, and individual character and racial styles and habits, the "mechanics" of their special abilities, 3rd person partial knowledge of villains, and so on.

They really aren't even in the same league. Jordan's works were far more dynamic and descriptive of characters and mechanics, not to mention believable character rivalries and backstabbing and such. Even though I would say Jordan had some places where his writing was really horrible, overall I'd give him a landslide victory over Tolkien. It's true that there are some similar concepts to Tolkien, but in terms of style and execution it's just not even comparable.

Tolkien wrote the LoTR series starting in 1937 (with The Hobbit). Jordan didn't start until 1984. Also, LoTR was initially designed as a "children's book" (closer to young adult reading level, actually), while WoT was designed for a more adult audience.

Comparing LoTR and WoT is akin to comparing Mark Twain and Shakespeare. Both wrote stuff, but entirely different audiences and timeframes.
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946. RTSplayer 10 05, 2012 03:42 GMT    
Quoting goosegirl1:


No, Gandalf and the Balrog were similar; Sauron was a higher order and was created at the beginning. The order of wizards were sent to Middle Earth to unite all forces against Sauron. And it's time for this nerd to dust off the books and go to bed :)


I got that from the official encyclopedia entry.

It's been like that since it was written.

From "Maia":
Melkor (known in Sindarin as Morgoth), the evil Vala, corrupted many Maiar into his service. These included Sauron, the main antagonist of The Lord of the Rings, and the Balrogs, his demons of flame and shadow.[4] These are called in Quenya maiar.

Therefore, Sauron and Balrogs are the same thing, and they are also the same thing as Gandalf, Saruman, and the other "Istari" or "Wizards," as I stated, and as the other article quote also stated.

They are all shapeshifters, and immortal, and none of them can ever actually be killed, even if their physical body is destroyed.


In reality, almost nothing is ever said about Sauron or Balrogs in the actual LotR trilogy, except possibly in the appendix. Sauron is one of the least described villains in the history of literature, at least within the trilogy. In fact, you learn more about Tom Bombadil than you do Sauron, and he was totally cut from the movies, mercifully, because that was one of the dumbest scenes in the books anyway.
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947. Patrap 10 05, 2012 03:45 GMT    
Im mo a Bullwinkle and Rocky kinda guy myself.

Hey Rocky, watch me pull the GFSx outta my Hat!!
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948. Patrap 10 05, 2012 03:47 GMT    
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949. Xyrus2000 10 05, 2012 03:55 GMT    
Quoting Levi32:


1.) You need to read up.

2.) I won't tolerate a Lord of the Rings hater. Nothing more epic has ever been written and then filmed.


Clearly you have never marveled at the complete collection of the He-Man animated series.
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950. Xyrus2000 10 05, 2012 03:58 GMT    
Quoting Patrap:
April co2 is in...Mauna Loa

Note the numbers trend last 12 mth's, and esp last month.

co2now.org

396.18ppm



Two more years until we break 400! Come on gang! Don't let up now! We're almost there! /snark
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951. WxGeekVA 10 05, 2012 03:59 GMT    
I post ONE LOTR meme and look what happens! And that's why I love this place! Goodnight everyone!
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